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okay now here is our interview with

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michael comerford

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i'd love to talk to you a little bit

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about moscow because uh

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i'm fascinated by what's going on there

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do you still kinda

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you were there in much better times i

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think it was worse times actually

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uh it was of course it was yeltsin

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yeltsin's time and

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uh it was a real kleptocracy at that

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point and uh i was

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a business reporter which was a friend

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of mine said is really like a crime

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reporter in moscow because

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um they were literally stealing the

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entire state

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it was the deep privatization it was the

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privatization

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of the communist society and everybody

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scrambling to gobble up the banks and

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the oil companies and so forth and it

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was an amazing time

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and you had to be close with the

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government

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to gobble something up is that fair to

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say yes

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kgb specifically yes

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and would you say that yeltsin it was

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uh with his approval or knowledge or

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tactic consent to right under his nose

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or what

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i think it was happening happening tacit

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consent

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because he wasn't really in control and

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putin is more in control but that's all

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perception

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uh you know what's going on behind there

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is all guesswork uh my old newspaper the

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moscow times which produced

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several pulitzer winners it was a pretty

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good newspaper

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uh does not exist because

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uh he had it shut down who's he

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putin who started moscow times

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it was started by a dutch entrepreneur

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and uh he uh he was running it as a

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first-class uh uh newspaper but it uh

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ended up being critical of of putin

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and uh and it was all about uh

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it was all about western journalism

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happening in moscow which they weren't

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doing but we were in the pravda building

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by the way it was interesting as i grew

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wow i forgot the name pravda that that

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watching that right right you know this

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came out from pravda well i'm going i'm

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walking into the probability wow but

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it was basically the propaganda arm

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slash newspaper of

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the ussr right absolutely and uh and

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what happened to pravda

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it's still there it's still there yeah

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is there a new is there a newspaper

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called pravda yeah

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uh-huh the only thing i keep hearing

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because you see it here is russian

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television rt

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all right which is

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presumably russian government run

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yes and it's for the west because

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everything's in english

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but i don't you happen to know is

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russian television also aired in russia

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uh i don't know that now i am out of

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i've been out of it for 20 years i think

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that well

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i left there in the mid 90s so 15 years

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so uh let's just stay on this for

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for a second so kind of walk us through

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how we got from you know gorbachev to

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yeltsin to putin essentially and and how

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you know there was this opening of the

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soviet union

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and potentially free market capitalism

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potentially potentially a westernization

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that could cause russia to become

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essentially if it had gone in a

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particular direction it could be part of

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the eu

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right now if it had gone in the you know

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former republics are you know estonia

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i think are in the eu so you know that's

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too far-fetched to think that russia

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wound up in the eu if it had headed in

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in one direction but then it got

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steered in a different direction but can

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you kind of walk us through how you

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connect the dots as far as well i was i

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got there

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and that was that was on the outskirts

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of what was happening in russia

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and um so uh basically

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what was happening with yeltsin at the

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uh he was struggling to

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nobody knew who was in charge and so

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people were using their connections to

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snap

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up wealth and uh and yeltsin was

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sort of in charge but he was crippled by

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he was crippled by a lack of

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disciplined um hierarchy

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of of government and so all the

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different governments seem to be

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ruling themselves and and so he was

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attempting to pull it all back together

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we don't know how exactly putin uh

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pushed him aside

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uh he he won two elections

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uh yeltsin and then uh putin uh may have

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used some uh uh his kgb

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connections to move uh yeltsin to the

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and then he he ran and uh then he had

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um uh fill in for him for

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a short uh tenure and now he's back and

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looks like he's going to stay in power

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until the end

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um until he wants until he feels like uh

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we don't know he there are still

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elections but he keeps

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poisoning the uh the opposition and

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um and having the journalists

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uh murdered yeah so um

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what about people from the moscow times

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did any of those well we were followed

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that's for sure

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um and uh i don't know about the full

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tremendously corrupt

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so anyway right it was

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uh the better but it wasn't it wasn't

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that way they believed that much like

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russians or by the state gasprom

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and uh being the gas company and then

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they would they would say well we're

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and uh we're going to capitalize you in

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and then friends uh friends would all

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and gobble it up and there was no way as

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a journalist to find out

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why or how the ownership went or

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if these people actually paid any of the

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money that they were supposed to pay

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and uh and it wasn't an open

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process no it was not it was an auction

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process but

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the the bidders were secret the winners

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that they would say the winner but uh

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but who was really behind the winner who

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was all really behind it was amazing i

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luke oil one time they wanted an abr

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here in the united states which is a

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uh stock exchange and uh and they gave

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these don't add up and then they said

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of books and i said these don't add up

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westerners going there at the time you

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business and there was going to be

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it was a wild east they called it at the

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in most cases i know some millionaires

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the opportunity to buy a business there

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start a business there if you weren't

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oh it was there there were a lot of

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um was in country in almost all those

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uh they were very protective that they

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um given away they weren't going to

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so walk us through if you understand

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exactly how

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putin becomes essentially what some say

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is the richest man

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in the world in the world yeah how is he

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he's either let's just assume he's

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either that or he's pretty damn close

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how does the president of russia

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become the richest man in the world

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well because the soviet union the whole

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idea of communism

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is uh had to make had it had made

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ownership an issue so the state owned

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everything

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then they were farming out what uh

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what what might not be state owned

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anymore

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and he came in and he says well

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whatever the state owns i own

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and uh he's he's got a lot of villas

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businesses that he's involved with that

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were formerly state-owned businesses

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that he is just transferred to him

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himself

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and uh he um

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that's how he did it he's basically take

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imagine if biden

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camp david is really my place uh that's

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basically what he did

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and uh so he didn't have any wealth to

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speak of at the time that he became

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president he hadn't already been an

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oligarch or already he had had one of

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the

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companies he was just a kgb guy yeah

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yes and a politician and when we say

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that he he's said these are mine i mean

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um he's not even saying it now he's just

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inferring it

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i mean now i mean we're gonna see if he

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if he walks away if he still has

305
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everything but

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he's using it all as of his own as his

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own

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and it's being assumed that it's

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much like it has in other eastern

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european countries like in the ukraine

311
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and we're talking about mostly

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villas and castles are we talking about

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companies

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both yeah villains and castles and uh

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i don't cast but uh

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huge estates and companies

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and uh and

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uh and the

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that entire network of what he has and

320
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what he doesn't have i think is very

321
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uh very cloudy right now

322
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but um so he's he's kind of like a good

323
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old-fashioned

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dictator he's not a hundred percent a

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dictator because they still have

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elections and if he ends up losing one

327
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um then he's gonna be in a lot of

328
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trouble but

329
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uh as we all know these elections can be

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fixed as what's going on in belarus

331
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um and and his opposition is being

332
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poisoned and and and uh and put down

333
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so i would say that's dictatorial power

334
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um but he is still uh very popular in

335
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russia

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extremely popular and uh

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he uh he's

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fully in command unlike yeltsin

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unlike the elsin where you could say in

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yeltsin

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my time in in there uh the the

342
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mayor of moscow was extremely important

343
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in moscow itself

344
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he was in charge and uh

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and on all the the stands kazakhstan and

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tajikistan

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their uh presidents were pretty much

348
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and when you say putin is very popular

349
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today how do you explain that

350
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considering

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you know how corrupt he is etc

352
00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:05,839
well there was a feeling in in russia

353
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that they were out of control and that

354
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they were at the mercy of the west under

355
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yeltsin

356
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and uh then um under putin they

357
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they enjoyed a long period

358
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of oil prices going up and so the

359
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economy went booming

360
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now the economy is not booming so much

361
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and

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you would think his popularity would

363
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have gone down but he solidified his

364
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popularity

365
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they believe he's a strong man and uh

366
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he's uh trying to reestablish the empire

367
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and

368
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don't that's what i'm

369
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i'm guessing i know that there is a

370
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strong tradition

371
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of you know in russia or for

372
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the czars and and for before that i mean

373
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after that the

374
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the soviet union with dictators in that

375
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in those cases

376
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communist dictators so now they're very

377
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used to

378
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that kind of government they like

379
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,079
theists i think any other form would be

380
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um foreign to them yeah well and if you

381
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don't have freedom of press and freedom

382
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of speech

383
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then it's criticism right they aren't

384
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seeing the criticism and so

385
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um yeah it's all word of mouth

386
00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:26,560
yeah i mean as much as we in particular

387
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:27,839
me

388
00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:31,199
complains about u.s journalism right now

389
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:34,000
where you've got you know just keep it

390
00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:35,600
simple fox news and cnn

391
00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:38,800
and you've got cnn all they do is

392
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criticize the president

393
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:42,320
when it was trump and now it's the exact

394
00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:44,320
opposite with boxing cnn with the new

395
00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:45,680
with the new president but at least

396
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you've got that at least

397
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if i if if if the president is up to no

398
00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:50,880
good

399
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,320
you're certainly going to know about it

400
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:54,480
either from cnn if it's a republican or

401
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:56,800
from fox news if it's a democrat

402
00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:59,600
but in uh in russia you've got to go

403
00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:00,720
underground to get that information

404
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:01,680
there's a there's

405
00:16:06,069 --> 00:16:04,160
way less debate and it's scary over

406
00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:06,079
there and like i say

407
00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:09,120
your business can be shut down your

408
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:13,360
uh you better not be critical of

409
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,519
putin or will you risk going off to jail

410
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:20,160
and uh or being poisoned or being

411
00:16:25,189 --> 00:16:21,279
followed

412
00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:25,199
intimidated um their their opera

413
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:28,639
their uh operations are very very strong

414
00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:31,759
still well i've got a lot of russian

415
00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:32,480
friends my

416
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:35,680
my wife is from ukraine and

417
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:36,800
i have a lot of friends here in los

418
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:38,720
angeles from have you been there

419
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,519
i've been to kiev twice i wanted to go

420
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:43,600
from kiev to moscow

421
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:47,279
because of the tensions right now

422
00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:48,880
between those two countries

423
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:51,360
um you know it should be an easy flight

424
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:51,920
but

425
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:54,959
there's no direct flight so i chose not

426
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:55,360
to

427
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:57,040
go there but you know just in my

428
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:58,959
interactions with her friends in kiev

429
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:00,800
and so on you realize

430
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:03,519
uh what an impact of russia is having on

431
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:04,079
kia

432
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:06,880
on ukraine's economy i mean it's just

433
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:07,520
totally

434
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:09,360
in the dumps right now because who's

435
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:11,039
going to invest in ukraine when

436
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:12,720
there's all this uncertainty with its

437
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:14,799
tensions with russia

438
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:18,799
and and ukraine having a very strong

439
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:20,240
black market

440
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:23,520
and uh and how much of that of their

441
00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:26,640
um economy is a black market

442
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:29,120
uh i don't know but i had another

443
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:30,400
another country with

444
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:33,520
corruption and still corrupt right

445
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:36,880
yes absolutely yes

446
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:40,080
and uh i don't know right now i i can't

447
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:40,480
say

448
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,080
i don't want to talk about things i

449
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:44,320
don't really i don't have her

450
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:46,480
now one of my interesting observations

451
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,000
from there is

452
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:50,240
that you know what was taught in schools

453
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,039
was always ukrainian and russian

454
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:55,919
and now it's ukrainian and english i

455
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:56,559
mean they are

456
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:59,039
really trying to divorce themselves from

457
00:18:02,630 --> 00:17:59,600
russia

458
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:02,640
you drive around kiev now this you open

459
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:04,080
up a new restaurant it's in english

460
00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:05,840
they put the sign for the restaurant in

461
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:08,160
english they very much are trying

462
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,640
to attach themselves to the west and

463
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:12,000
they're like screw

464
00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:14,240
you russia and putin i mean these people

465
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:15,120
there will

466
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,880
you know they will shed their bloods in

467
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,720
the streets of kiev if

468
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:20,720
if putin ever tried to go that far i

469
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:21,760
mean they're

470
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:24,080
they're they're going to die to protect

471
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:24,880
it i

472
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:27,120
happen to be in level the first

473
00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:28,160
anniversary of

474
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:30,480
uh ukraine having declared their

475
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,440
independence

476
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:34,240
and uh they had an american soldier get

477
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:35,280
up

478
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,400
at the town square to talk about it and

479
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:40,960
this american soldier said in english

480
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:44,240
to the crowd we are very proud to be

481
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,520
in uh some uh

482
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:49,760
maneuvers now with your army with your

483
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:50,799
military

484
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:53,280
and we want to make sure that ukraine is

485
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:53,840
free

486
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:57,039
forever and that place went nuts because

487
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:58,000
they

488
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:01,440
man

489
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,200
you got the feeling like there was no

490
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:05,280
way they were gonna go back

491
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:08,480
but uh i i you know i i got the feeling

492
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:09,360
the same feeling

493
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:11,760
as you got but half the country are

494
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:13,039
russian speakers

495
00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:16,960
and uh came from russia and uh

496
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,640
so they're a divided country and um

497
00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:22,320
yeah i i learned i wouldn't have known

498
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:23,919
this but for my wife that you know

499
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:24,720
crimea

500
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:27,840
was a very very very nice place it was

501
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,400
like a crown jewel of ukraine so

502
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:32,960
when when russia took that that was a

503
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:34,160
major

504
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:36,320
deal and it looks like they may not be

505
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,200
stopping there

506
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:41,919
i have no idea on that i can i can tell

507
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:42,480
you that

508
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:49,909
i wouldn't be surprised i i i think that

509
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:52,960
he i don't know what putin has up his

510
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,000
sleeve but he uh every time he does

511
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:57,840
something militarily his

512
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:00,880
popularity goes up i know that yeah

513
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:03,919
well the same russian people are

514
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,440
very concerned about what they see going

515
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:07,840
on in with america and

516
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:10,320
you know we used to have a truly freedom

517
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,039
of speech and

518
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:13,280
free press and so on and some of the

519
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,159
stuff you see going on with the

520
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,799
social media and taking down things and

521
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:20,000
you know youtube and so

522
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:23,840
on so i i can you know they see shades

523
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,320
of

524
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,880
russia with what's going on now albeit

525
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,320
youtube's private

526
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:30,720
facebook is private and so on so you've

527
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:31,520
got

528
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,559
large humongous private companies i mean

529
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,400
by historical standards i'm not sure how

530
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,400
big you would consider these countries

531
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,000
these companies compared to say getty

532
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,400
oil back 100 years ago i i don't know

533
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:45,840
but

534
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,799
by any standard these are humongous

535
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,000
companies

536
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:52,080
bordering on needing to be broken up

537
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:53,600
right

538
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:56,640
albeit private but but controlling

539
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:57,919
speech

540
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,200
and um well i've seen in my

541
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:04,080
in my uh on my story the story cycle

542
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,600
americans in the pandemic

543
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,679
bicycling route 66 and collecting

544
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,039
coveted stories

545
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,200
they have given me two strikes if you

546
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,280
get three strikes on youtube

547
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,280
for that channel my youtube channel has

548
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:18,000
two strikes i think i'm going to get off

549
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,919
on the second strike i don't know but

550
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:24,000
uh if i get three strikes they're going

551
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,120
to shut down the

552
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,679
the entire program off of yeah well

553
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:29,360
hopefully you don't give me a second

554
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,080
strike here

555
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:32,080
because i i can share my youtube story

556
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,520
with you and then you can

557
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,120
share them back and then we can start

558
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,880
talking about what's going to be your

559
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:38,720
next book about your your bike ride

560
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:42,320
on route 66. my story is that it was

561
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:43,280
actually

562
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:46,640
my most recent episode and i had

563
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:49,760
a university of wisconsin professor

564
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,880
former professor um

565
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,200
a medical advisor to multiple

566
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:57,600
congressional committees

567
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,600
md and coming on simply

568
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,120
to say he actually wrote a book called

569
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,960
pandemic blunder and he was talking

570
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:07,039
about how

571
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,960
the nih and the cdc um just

572
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:13,039
essentially kind of discouraged early

573
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,080
treatments

574
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,960
of covid before we had vaccines but

575
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:18,159
there were some early treatments and

576
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:19,200
they were saying no

577
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:20,480
stay at home don't go to the hospital

578
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:21,440
because they didn't want to crowd the

579
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,720
hospitals et cetera anyway that's what

580
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:24,240
the book was about

581
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,280
then we started talking about the

582
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,440
vaccine and he said that he took the

583
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:28,799
vaccine

584
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:32,159
uh both doses had no adverse reaction to

585
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:33,440
them

586
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,480
but nonetheless now regrets

587
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,880
having taken the vaccine and just

588
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:40,559
explained a lot of the science that has

589
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,919
come out a lot of things that he's

590
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:43,520
learned about the vaccine

591
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,720
and just a few things in particular the

592
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:48,000
the one most important thing he was

593
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,520
letting people know is if you've already

594
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:51,039
had covet

595
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,720
that means you've got most likely have

596
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:54,080
the antibodies you could be testifying

597
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,960
antibodies but

598
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,480
that is the group of people that the

599
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,039
vaccines were never tested on

600
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,039
and those are the people that are having

601
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:02,720
the most adverse

602
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:05,919
reactions to the vaccine so he's just

603
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:09,280
warning these people okay two friends of

604
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:10,159
mine who had

605
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,159
coveted over uh the new over new year's

606
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,000
just took their first dose and got

607
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,400
extremely sick for two days

608
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,640
most people don't on the first dose and

609
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,080
i'm like wow and these are guys

610
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,760
that had copic i'm sure they still have

611
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,520
the antibodies i got it over new years

612
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,120
too and i still have the antibodies

613
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,919
so this guy is just letting people know

614
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:31,280
be cautious about this

615
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,480
and that video was taken down because it

616
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,240
goes against

617
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:38,240
the consensus of medical experts

618
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:39,360
including the

619
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:43,440
world health organization i'm like holy

620
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,080
in america in america

621
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,760
we're not allowed to say something that

622
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:51,520
disagrees with the world

623
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:54,080
health organization this international

624
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,559
body

625
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,559
that has nothing to do with america and

626
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,760
it's probably

627
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,320
chinese controlled the same body that

628
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:02,000
said that this thing did not come from a

629
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,600
lab and now it looks like it did come

630
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,200
from a lab

631
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,559
youtube what is wrong with you

632
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,480
so you you give me your comments on that

633
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,640
and then i want to hear your i i i feel

634
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,080
that stings so hard

635
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,000
and it's unbelievable especially being

636
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:18,240
journalists so we uh

637
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:21,679
we uh we want opinions to get out there

638
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,240
and

639
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,159
because we know that in the world of

640
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,240
opinion that these things should battle

641
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:27,679
themselves out

642
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,200
um but um i have had

643
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,520
this happen to me where people are

644
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:35,600
expressing their opinions saying hey i

645
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:35,919
am

646
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,200
personally not vaccinating uh because

647
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,720
and then they will say i have two

648
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:42,960
friends who did and then

649
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,000
whatever this is uh i call this

650
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,559
folk wisdom and folk uh this is the way

651
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:50,000
most people in throughout

652
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,279
all of history have have uh decided

653
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,159
to handle their health uh the the

654
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,000
question of life and death

655
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:01,360
they sometimes believe in experts far

656
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,000
away

657
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,679
but sometimes they believe on the

658
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,080
experience of people near them

659
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:09,360
and uh and these people i interview i

660
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,600
have

661
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,480
over 100 interviews said you know

662
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:15,360
sometimes they're in a town of 12 people

663
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:18,799
you know and so their

664
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:22,080
experience is quite different than uh

665
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,080
la or chicago or new york

666
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,400
and uh they're relying on other bits of

667
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:29,679
information and they're just

668
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:32,880
describing their experience they're not

669
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,440
saying

670
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:36,720
i want you to never vaccinate to never

671
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:37,279
mask

672
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,400
to never um they're not prescribing

673
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:44,000
anything they're just saying this is

674
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,720
what i do

675
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,640
because these are the stories i'm

676
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:47,760
telling myself

677
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:51,360
in order to help me uh navigate another

678
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,400
pandemic because

679
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,840
human beings have been living through

680
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:55,760
pandemics and plagues through all of

681
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:56,799
history

682
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,840
and now we're telling ourselves stories

683
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,679
that are going to help us get through

684
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,760
this one too and some people are going

685
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:05,760
hey i'm going with fauci and i'm going

686
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:06,559
with the

687
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,400
news i'm going with any

688
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,080
that's what i'm doing because that's

689
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,919
what i trust and other people are saying

690
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,640
you know what

691
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,320
i'm not going to believe the mainstream

692
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:18,000
news i'm not going to believe my

693
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,039
government

694
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,880
because they've lied to me in the past

695
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:22,960
even doctors have been wrong in the past

696
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,279
so

697
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:26,320
i'll believe what i can see and then

698
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:33,590
doctors fauci himself

699
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:36,880
has admitted that he lied to everyone

700
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,159
yeah about over the mass

701
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:43,279
he he said that i told people at that

702
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,080
time

703
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,159
that mass don't work because i was

704
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,919
afraid that we would

705
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,159
lose too many mess so i i so fauci

706
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,000
decided it was in the public good in his

707
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:55,120
own decision to lie to people

708
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:58,880
for uh for for what he considered to be

709
00:27:03,029 --> 00:26:59,440
a higher

710
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,039
um purpose a classical mistake

711
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,520
yeah it was a classic mistake they the

712
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,679
the historians came forward right when

713
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:08,799
this came out i

714
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,679
i heard it uh on the radio but i've read

715
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:12,559
it also

716
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,919
that the 1918 pan epidemic

717
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,080
resulted in a lot of distrust to the gov

718
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:19,760
with for the government because of the

719
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,720
lies that came out

720
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,399
and from both the government and the

721
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,880
doctors and the military

722
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,880
and uh and fauci came up with that

723
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,559
classic noble lie

724
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,559
and now people are saying what else are

725
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:32,480
you lying about what else is for the

726
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,120
better good

727
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:35,120
well and vaccine is the most obvious

728
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,240
example of that

729
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:38,640
because here was something that okay

730
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,440
we're trying to get through this

731
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:40,960
pandemic

732
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:43,919
and you know it's all just immediate

733
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,159
issues that are popping up so mass

734
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,559
oh boy don't tell people that you you

735
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,000
need to wear a mask don't tell them that

736
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:51,600
now because we desperately need masks

737
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,159
for this

738
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,720
and vaccine would be could fall right

739
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,840
into the same category

740
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:58,399
okay everybody uh we know this about the

741
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:59,279
vaccine

742
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,640
but don't because right now the most

743
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:01,840
important thing is just to get everybody

744
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,399
kicks

745
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,760
everybody just shut up about

746
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,919
any risks associated with the vaccine

747
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:09,279
right right

748
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,399
don't tell them that there are people uh

749
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,799
dying there don't tell people about the

750
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:16,480
adverse effects don't tell them that's

751
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,120
20

752
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,159
or 10 percent or you know whatever

753
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:23,919
and uh i uh i i'm just saying this

754
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,960
that um what i've set out to do was to

755
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:27,600
tell

756
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,799
how people think and uh and then

757
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:33,120
try to get into their head and and and

758
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,840
see

759
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,320
on a random you know sort of america's

760
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,240
main street use

761
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,799
route 66 is called america's main street

762
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:42,320
and just what everyday people

763
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,679
people who have never been interviewed

764
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,679
before what they think

765
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:48,080
and get into their heads and see that it

766
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:48,960
doesn't it's

767
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,000
they're not they're not as crazy

768
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,120
as um

769
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:58,720
as they might seem if if all you do

770
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,240
is if you're sitting in chicago or l.a

771
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,440
and you're seeing uh hospitals being

772
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:08,399
over flowing with the human beings dying

773
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:08,880
and

774
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,240
suffering badly um i

775
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,559
i wanted to get at why they had these

776
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,320
ideas and

777
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,720
and whether they're uh real or i mean

778
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:20,799
whether they're gonna come out to be

779
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,750
right or not in the end that's not

780
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,520
what i'm concerned about what i'm

781
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:30,960
concerned about right now

782
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,080
is that these are the stories

783
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,799
i want people to know what how people

784
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:37,840
are adjusting

785
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:41,679
to this covet so

786
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,200
there we go so tell me um

787
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:48,000
what was it that was in whatever you

788
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:49,440
posted that got

789
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,640
got got you taken down it was somebody

790
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:54,080
just saying they doubted all the

791
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,960
information

792
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:57,520
that was coming out and some of you were

793
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,640
interviewing

794
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:01,440
yes and i was saying nothing in fact i

795
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,480
have said nothing

796
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,640
still and i'm in the process of writing

797
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,120
the book i believe i won't say anything

798
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,240
about my opinion all i'm saying is that

799
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,919
these people have their opinions and

800
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,600
here are some of the

801
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,000
reasons that they have their opinions

802
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,840
and

803
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,679
going to your point about facebook

804
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,120
shutting us down

805
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,320
uh i don't think that's i i mean that is

806
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:26,000
the biggest argument for

807
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,760
regulating facebook or breaking them up

808
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,760
but having said that there are other i

809
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,799
mean i looked up

810
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:35,279
alternatives to facebook and they'll

811
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,000
they'll

812
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,520
it'll be harder to get seen yeah but uh

813
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,600
you can still get your information out

814
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,120
they're not the only

815
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:45,679
they're not about the monolith or a

816
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,559
monopoly on

817
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,240
any of this yeah sometimes i wonder

818
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,520
what's you know what's going through

819
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:50,559
their heads

820
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,679
because they are creating a big opening

821
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,760
for you know parlor was the thing that

822
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,080
came up as the alternative to twitter

823
00:31:01,509 --> 00:31:00,000
and uh i don't know what the

824
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:01,519
alternatives are to youtube right now i

825
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,159
know

826
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,480
my producer michael is researching them

827
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:05,840
after what happened to us

828
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:08,640
um with youtube but you know but yeah

829
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:09,279
they are

830
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:12,559
a distant distant distant second

831
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:16,080
um but these internet

832
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,679
companies social media companies they've

833
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,360
got this i forget what they call section

834
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,360
230 or whatever it is exemption

835
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,919
that ex the whole point of that is you

836
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:26,080
can't sue youtube or facebook because

837
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:27,519
somebody posted something on there

838
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,919
that's

839
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:30,080
incorrect they've got immunity from that

840
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:30,960
because this is an

841
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:34,080
open platform and by god how could you

842
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,799
ever start

843
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,399
a social media company if you had to

844
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,000
regulate everything that's

845
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:41,440
on there do you know that facebook has

846
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,960
30 000 full-time employees

847
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:47,519
whose only job it is is to keep an eye

848
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,559
on posts

849
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,559
and to take down stuff that might

850
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:51,840
violate their policies

851
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:54,960
30 000 employees and so that's why they

852
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,279
gave

853
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:57,039
parlor so much grief they said oh well

854
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,320
parlor

855
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,640
you're not meeting the proper standards

856
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,720
for making sure that everything is safe

857
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,799
that's posted on your site like well no

858
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:06,480
or not because who can afford to

859
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:07,120
have 30

860
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,880
000 employees where that's their only

861
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,640
job if that's your standard

862
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,640
then guess what you guys are a monopoly

863
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:14,000
you guys have managed to push

864
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:15,200
out everybody else because you're saying

865
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,480
here's the standard that you have to

866
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:17,840
meet and nobody could meet it

867
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:20,640
well that's 100 correct and then another

868
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:21,279
thing though

869
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,320
also is uh 30 000 people are applying uh

870
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,960
standards and i just don't think that

871
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,480
those 30 000 people

872
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,200
are applying the same standards i mean

873
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,039
they may have the rules written right in

874
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,440
front of them but they're

875
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,120
i mean and and where are they are they

876
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,600
really 30 000 americans

877
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,640
are these filipinos or these uh

878
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,559
call center people from around the world

879
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:47,840
indians from

880
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,200
india um i i don't know but i'm

881
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:54,320
i'm guessing they are

882
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,399
low people overseas trying to apply

883
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:01,519
democratic values onto um

884
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:04,799
from countries that are not from our

885
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,559
uh well even yeah even this facebook

886
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,320
review commission that they started

887
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,320
which had that ruling recently that you

888
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,240
know trump can return in two years

889
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:17,039
that's an international group because

890
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:18,559
they see themselves as an international

891
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,279
company

892
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,640
so we're going to put international

893
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,880
people on this it's not americans it's

894
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,399
not people who

895
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,120
were born and bred with this individual

896
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:28,559
freedom

897
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,760
running through their veins you sir

898
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:34,399
yeah i know i mean uh i'm not i'm not

899
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,600
gonna comment on that

900
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,760
uh but i am gonna say that i that

901
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,360
youtube stuff

902
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,320
gets under my skin and uh i i know that

903
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:45,279
that's a very complicated thing with

904
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:48,559
facebook um they want to address these

905
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:52,480
issues that's um the way they came up

906
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,120
with

907
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,159
uh

908
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:59,039
it has i i don't know how it's gonna

909
00:34:02,870 --> 00:33:59,760
work out

910
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,880
but it is um yeah well i think you're

911
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:03,279
saying

912
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:06,960
you're thirty problem but then having no

913
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,879
no oversight at all just you know

914
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,399
i hope i'm getting the section right if

915
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,839
it's 2 30 but i think people know what

916
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:15,839
i'm talking about

917
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,040
i think that was brilliant the the idea

918
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,280
that we're not going to hold these

919
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,399
companies responsible

920
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,760
for everything that's put on their sites

921
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,000
i mean that's the free marketplace of

922
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,159
information and that's the way it should

923
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,679
be so i like

924
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,079
giving them that protection and i like

925
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,440
them therefore

926
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,000
staying the heck out of it because

927
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,000
you've been given this protection now

928
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,320
if somebody's saying hey let's go meet

929
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:42,320
on the street corner and and go kill

930
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,280
somebody

931
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,679
or you know they're plotting some crime

932
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,040
or something

933
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:50,079
okay you know if if you could take that

934
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:50,480
down

935
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:55,919
very minimal standards you're saying

936
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,720
yeah opinions about the pandemic

937
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,160
and you're not you don't have the right

938
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,280
opinion about the vaccine i mean i just

939
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,320
my my blood is boiling just saying oh

940
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,720
absolutely i gotta say i mean and so

941
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,320
many things have turned out

942
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,839
correct um that uh

943
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,680
you know that's how we learn i've been

944
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:16,880
saying uh

945
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,760
from the beginning and then especially

946
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:20,960
on this covid

947
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:24,560
issue and i

948
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,640
i um i'm i'm just trying to

949
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,280
and in my uh with the story cycle

950
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,200
attempting to get individuals to

951
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:35,839
express themselves and this is just

952
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:38,480
individuals expressing themselves

953
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,680
and saying hey you know what in one case

954
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,599
i want to bring this up that someone

955
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:45,680
came up with a folk remedy

956
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,040
and uh in western oklahoma i met a

957
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:50,880
rancher who said uh

958
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,320
you know what i had covered i thought i

959
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:55,680
was dying i was

960
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,440
a big trump supporter i was a uh

961
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,599
i didn't believe that this was i believe

962
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:03,200
this whole thing was over

963
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:06,160
uh done and uh i got covered i thought i

964
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,280
was gonna die

965
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:10,000
and he goes then i got a phone call from

966
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:11,359
a fellow rancher who

967
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,560
slaughters my uh cows and he says take

968
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:16,320
this cattle dewormer

969
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,280
that i use for our cattle that everyone

970
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:21,280
uses for their cattle

971
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:25,119
and i've used it and i know other people

972
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,240
have used it

973
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,599
and your symptoms will go away so

974
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,200
at three o'clock in the morning he went

975
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:33,280
out to his barn and he

976
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,880
mixed it with applesauce and he

977
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:38,880
measured it because of the weight of the

978
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,839
cattle so two cc's

979
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:44,160
and uh he took it for three days first

980
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,040
of all

981
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:48,320
his first dose relieved the symptoms

982
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,119
within four

983
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,440
hours and within three days he had no

984
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:52,800
symptoms zero

985
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,320
he went into his doctor uh afterwards

986
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,720
he had talked to his doctor he had

987
00:37:02,950 --> 00:36:59,760
tested positive

988
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,960
earlier the week uh he uh

989
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,640
he goes into the doctor and he says i

990
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,640
expect to get my butt kicked

991
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,720
for doing this and the doctor says i

992
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,880
know other ranchers who have done it and

993
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,800
did you take it for three days many of

994
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:14,880
them are taking it for seven days

995
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,119
and how did he feel when did you feel

996
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:19,440
and he and he did not he said it's been

997
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:20,400
working

998
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,680
and so he goes into his vet

999
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,839
and he says the same and the vet says

1000
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,359
well you did one thing wrong you took it

1001
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,200
in the barn that's unsanitary

1002
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,000
here's another bottle if just in case

1003
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,160
someone in your family gets some

1004
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:37,040
and uh so these doctors were flat out

1005
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:37,760
saying

1006
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:44,640
as a uh as a way to alleviate the

1007
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:45,280
symptoms

1008
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:48,800
of covet once you've gotten it and

1009
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:52,079
saying we don't know 100 why people have

1010
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:53,119
been using it

1011
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:56,240
and this is this

1012
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:59,440
we believe in it they they all these are

1013
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,160
two medical

1014
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,079
one of that and one a real medical

1015
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,000
doctor for humans

1016
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,680
and i don't know if it's true i don't

1017
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:08,640
have to know all i know is that

1018
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:11,920
he believed it and he was alive

1019
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:15,839
and he his experience and

1020
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,800
friends of his experienced that and who

1021
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,359
knows and

1022
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,680
then this may come out to be a

1023
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:23,119
non-conventional

1024
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:26,240
folk remedy that does help how i don't

1025
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,200
know

1026
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,240
but well that was the point of my last

1027
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,839
guest book of pandemic blunder

1028
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,440
about a lot of early treatments that

1029
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:35,440
were were ignored

1030
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,280
you know people yeah you know whether

1031
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,839
hydroxychloroquine was a

1032
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,480
famous example where there was a lot of

1033
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,000
disagreement as to whether it works and

1034
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,000
whether it doesn't and instead

1035
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:47,839
government stepped in and governors

1036
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,480
banned the use of hydroxychloroquine in

1037
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,800
their state it's like

1038
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,640
i mean so it'd be like same thing in

1039
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:56,640
oklahoma is that them hearing this rumor

1040
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,440
oh

1041
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,520
people are using this dewormer thing we

1042
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,040
better pass a law that says that you

1043
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:02,720
can't use that it's like

1044
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:09,510
remember it's a free country that was a

1045
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,640
big thing we used to say when i was a

1046
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,720
kid it's a free country i can do it

1047
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:15,839
you don't hear that that much anymore

1048
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:19,119
well not to get you played um

1049
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:23,040
well it uh i you know i

1050
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:26,640
in my case i keep going back to on

1051
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:30,240
with my book um i don't know if this is

1052
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,520
a real thing

1053
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,599
all i have to know is that he believes

1054
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,599
it and a lot of people around there but

1055
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:36,880
he they believe it

1056
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:39,599
and their ideas should get out there too

1057
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,320
and uh

1058
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,720
that this is how they're surviving this

1059
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,839
pandemic

1060
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,160
and uh and if you want to go to the

1061
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:48,000
larger big picture

1062
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,079
um you know i think uh i know that their

1063
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:54,240
opinions should be out there

1064
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:57,839
and uh because there may be other

1065
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,880
uh ways to once you have it

1066
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,520
to alleviate your problems and uh rather

1067
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,720
than going to

1068
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,319
going on a ventilator and going to the

1069
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,400
hospital and a lot of that you know

1070
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:11,200
well i open you i hope when you complete

1071
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,560
your book

1072
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:15,200
and that shares these various opinions

1073
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,240
of people

1074
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:19,359
from the midwest and uh the west and so

1075
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:20,319
forth

1076
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:23,359
that uh amazon allows you to sell it

1077
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:26,880
because you know amazon is another one

1078
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,160
that's that has banned books

1079
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:32,079
uh i'll name one in particular just

1080
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,520
because

1081
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,119
there was a deep dive that i did on my

1082
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,359
podcast on transgender

1083
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:40,079
and um i came across these guys and they

1084
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,640
wrote a book

1085
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,200
it's by by a medical doctor it's called

1086
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,040
a parent's guide to preventing

1087
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,079
homosexuality and that book you can

1088
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,040
you you cannot buy that book and i know

1089
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,599
it's kind of a

1090
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,920
humorous title or you you chuckled at

1091
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,800
the title but it's a very

1092
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,400
straightforward title because

1093
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,119
that is what the book is about this is a

1094
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,440
doctor who has studied

1095
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,480
for decades uh homosexuality

1096
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:09,359
and um and he believes that it stems

1097
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,000
from

1098
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,760
very early childhood that you're not

1099
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,280
born this way it's something that stems

1100
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,200
from very early childhood which i

1101
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,280
based on my own research following his

1102
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,880
happened to agree with

1103
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,640
um and so he has a book that's called a

1104
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,920
parent's guide to preventing

1105
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,839
homosexuality and amazon will not

1106
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,680
will not sell it they they they banned

1107
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:27,520
the world wow

1108
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,640
but you know that's just one of many

1109
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,720
examples so be careful what you put in

1110
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:34,800
your description i guess when you

1111
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,800
yeah i hadn't thought of that um

1112
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:41,520
i'm going to have a disclaimer in there

1113
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:42,319
obviously

1114
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:45,359
i'm saying that this my my book is not

1115
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,079
about

1116
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,119
uh prescribing um

1117
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:52,640
you know dewormer or um

1118
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:55,599
or faith a lot of people going to their

1119
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:56,240
religion

1120
00:42:01,030 --> 00:42:00,240
to help them or they're just their good

1121
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,040
health

1122
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,119
i've heard many people saying hey i have

1123
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,599
the i have the uh

1124
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,760
you know i have a healthy immune system

1125
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:09,760
i have the immune system of a 14 year

1126
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:10,400
old i can

1127
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,599
beat off anything and uh

1128
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,680
i'm not saying that it is all true

1129
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,280
although i'm saying that this is a

1130
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,400
got to be a world full of ideas yeah

1131
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,000
that all should do battle with each

1132
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,599
other well and uh

1133
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:25,440
you could probably speak to this having

1134
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,720
just completed this bishop

1135
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,800
i i mean you know we've got a very large

1136
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,000
percentage of

1137
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,520
people who took the vaccine

1138
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,599
and you know they took it for themselves

1139
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:37,280
i i think you should take the vaccine

1140
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:38,640
for yourself this is all

1141
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:41,760
individual health choices and it's your

1142
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,720
body

1143
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,560
and the majority of the people wanted to

1144
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:46,960
take the vaccine for their own health

1145
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:50,319
they th there's there's two risks here

1146
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,599
there's the risk of not taking the

1147
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,920
vaccine and getting covered

1148
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,599
and having whatever adverse reaction

1149
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,000
that is and then there's the risk of

1150
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,440
taking this vaccine which frankly is

1151
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:01,040
still experimental has not been approved

1152
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,240
by the fda

1153
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,000
and that there could be side effects

1154
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:05,839
either immediately upon taking it which

1155
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,960
we already know

1156
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:09,440
those occur my mother was sick for two

1157
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,079
weeks after

1158
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:12,400
after the second one uh or long-term

1159
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,200
effects

1160
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,599
so people have to make a decision

1161
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,720
neither one's perfect

1162
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,400
you've got a background there is one

1163
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:19,920
more i mean that it

1164
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,359
which is that uh enough people have to

1165
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,400
get the vaccine

1166
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,960
in order for it to work on a societal

1167
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:28,000
level

1168
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:33,599
and so how much do you owe to

1169
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,680
the society at large to america at large

1170
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:40,560
because not being vaccinated against

1171
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:41,520
polio

1172
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:44,240
and smallpox isn't just a personal

1173
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,800
decision

1174
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,160
community

1175
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,240
well well let's let's talk about that

1176
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,680
just for a second because i think that

1177
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:53,040
is the crux of

1178
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,480
you know something very important still

1179
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,079
going on regarding this

1180
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,880
pandemic in america i mean it it's great

1181
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,160
that we're coming out of it

1182
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:02,319
obviously but you've kind of got this

1183
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,520
lingering

1184
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,520
huh well i don't know but please don't

1185
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,839
tell me what the new delta variant or

1186
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,319
whatever they're talking about now

1187
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,880
anyway i read today they're they're

1188
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:13,440
going to

1189
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:16,480
start re uh naming these uh variants

1190
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,160
to uh bird names so that they're less uh

1191
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,400
scary south africans are all for it

1192
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,599
because they hate the fact that they

1193
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:25,200
have old variant named after their

1194
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,000
country

1195
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:28,240
right right well yeah i thought the new

1196
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,520
one for some reason i think is called

1197
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:30,960
the delta variant that you're

1198
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:34,000
hearing about anyway i mean that one

1199
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:35,359
sounds really bad

1200
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:36,800
you know imagine if it was named the

1201
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,440
blue jay yeah yeah well there yeah look

1202
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:40,640
there's a lot of people very

1203
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:44,160
invested in this pandemic you know that

1204
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,280
don't want to let it

1205
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:47,520
go they've made careers out of it or

1206
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:48,720
they're you know

1207
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,160
and some people are just uh um

1208
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:54,319
obsessed or ultimately paranoid i mean i

1209
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,520
i've spoken to

1210
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,520
friends that you know they're still not

1211
00:45:02,950 --> 00:44:59,359
comfortable going to a

1212
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,960
um a large event just not comfortable

1213
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,800
doing it i've been comfortable from the

1214
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,240
beginning but it's just it

1215
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,599
i guess that's like what i keep hearing

1216
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,400
it's individual choices

1217
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,680
i wish i had uh you're in la right yeah

1218
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,920
how did i miss you i i was i was going

1219
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,359
all over the place looking for people

1220
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,119
that come up with your uh

1221
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,160
your particular views i i live i live

1222
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:24,560
about uh three miles from where you

1223
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:31,109
i i oh you're cutting out a little bit

1224
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:31,760
really

1225
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,920
wow yeah yeah yeah i i'm

1226
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,599
whoa getting some weird feedback can you

1227
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,520
hear me okay yeah

1228
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,440
okay you're getting near the end i see

1229
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:42,720
that i

1230
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:45,680
am uh yeah i'm three miles up pch from

1231
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:46,000
the

1232
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,359
um yeah i i don't know exactly what's

1233
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,640
protecting you

1234
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:57,280
or what stories you're telling yourself

1235
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,160
well i got

1236
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,440
i gotta have yeah i got i i got covered

1237
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:03,839
you know i tried to change my lifestyle

1238
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:04,560
as

1239
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,040
complaining about the shutdowns and um

1240
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:13,280
saying i don't think that's the right

1241
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,319
response to this

1242
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,240
and that people that we shouldn't be

1243
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,800
telling people who are perfectly healthy

1244
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,119
that you have to stay home you know

1245
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,800
quarantining

1246
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:25,280
healthy people i don't think we even did

1247
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,400
that in the spanish

1248
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,240
flu i mean there's never been you you

1249
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,079
quarantine sick people so that they

1250
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,839
don't get other people sick but

1251
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,359
saying that healthy people have to stay

1252
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,079
home is a highly unusual

1253
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,040
step but anyway for me personally um

1254
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,960
yeah i just went on as many trips as i

1255
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:42,160
could and so on and

1256
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:45,280
um but ultimately yes i i ultimately

1257
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:46,720
succumbed

1258
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,839
to covid over new year's because we went

1259
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,119
skiing in park city

1260
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,920
and went to in a new year's party at a

1261
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,720
bar

1262
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,440
that was socially distanced only in that

1263
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,960
you had to be at a table

1264
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,640
uh you couldn't you know was in a packed

1265
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:02,720
bar with everybody standing by the bar

1266
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,160
but um i had a group of uh about 11

1267
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,640
that was with me and 10 out of 11 wound

1268
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:09,760
up with

1269
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:12,880
uh holy man you know i mean once

1270
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:15,760
i mean so did you just rough it out did

1271
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,480
you have any

1272
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:19,599
anything when he the any cure that like

1273
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,000
this

1274
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:22,400
rancher had that he said within four

1275
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:23,040
hours he

1276
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:26,559
felt better so i woke up not feeling

1277
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:26,960
great

1278
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,079
after two days of hard skiing and that's

1279
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,920
actually not that unusual for me because

1280
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:33,440
when i go on a ski trip you've got high

1281
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,559
altitudes

1282
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:36,720
and i'm skiing harder than i get you

1283
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:38,000
know exercising more than normal and

1284
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:39,760
then at night i'm having some cocktails

1285
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,480
and so

1286
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,640
it's not unusual for me not to feel 100

1287
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:44,800
so i took a day off of skiing

1288
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,680
and but then i skied the next day and

1289
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,440
then we flew home the day after

1290
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,480
so here i am flying home with coven my

1291
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,920
wife had covered two but we didn't know

1292
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,880
we had covered

1293
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:57,440
because it was so mild that it was just

1294
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:58,400
kind of like having

1295
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,040
a cold and in fact i remember when i got

1296
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:02,880
home i was sneezing like crazy

1297
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,079
um the the the day that i got home

1298
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,200
and um but by the next day i was feeling

1299
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:12,240
95 but the day after that i lost smell

1300
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,359
and taste

1301
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,720
so it's very weird experience and

1302
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:16,079
everybody has a kind of weird

1303
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:17,280
responsibility this is what tells you

1304
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,559
that there's something very strange

1305
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,559
about this virus this is not a normal

1306
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:23,520
virus so i as i explained i basically

1307
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:24,319
for me it was

1308
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:27,680
less than having a cold except

1309
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:30,559
then boom suddenly my smell and taste is

1310
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,280
gone i mean

1311
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,680
i would put cologne on my hand and go

1312
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,680
like this and smell it i could not smell

1313
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,319
cologne right on my hand and taste was

1314
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,160
down about 75 percent

1315
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:42,079
um and then and it took you know a

1316
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,440
matter of weeks for it to

1317
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,440
come back i tested positive for the

1318
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,480
antibodies

1319
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,960
you know a couple months ago i presume

1320
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,640
that i still have them i have not

1321
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:53,040
taken the vaccine because in part

1322
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,480
because of the warnings i've heard

1323
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,160
but also because i've got the freaking

1324
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,760
antibodies why am i going to take this

1325
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,720
thing the whole point is to get the

1326
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,480
antibodies i've got the antibodies

1327
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,960
but what's ridiculous is all these

1328
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,800
places whether it be travel or whether

1329
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:06,319
it be going to a basketball game

1330
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:07,599
they say you need to show proof of

1331
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,800
vaccine or a negative cover test

1332
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,760
why isn't there the third option of or a

1333
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:15,359
positive antibiotic

1334
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,640
people like me who have had colvid are

1335
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,160
just being ignored

1336
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,720
as if no you better go get the vaccine

1337
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:24,160
so

1338
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,440
i'm rambling but just to finish the

1339
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,680
story so two good friends of mine

1340
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,440
who had clove at the same time that i

1341
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,720
had it they're going to europe in july

1342
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,960
and they're hearing that you know europe

1343
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:36,960
requires the vaccine

1344
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,760
and but they've they've had coven they

1345
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,200
still have the antibodies but they're

1346
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:42,559
getting the vaccine

1347
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,319
solely because they want to go to europe

1348
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,400
so they go to get the vaccine as i told

1349
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,240
you this universal wisconsin professor

1350
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,839
said be very careful about taking the

1351
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:54,160
vaccine if you've already had coven

1352
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:55,599
these guys do it because they want to go

1353
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,559
to europe and they said they were

1354
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,079
they just took the first shot like on

1355
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:01,920
thursday they said jim third

1356
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,119
for two days we were very sick like

1357
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,559
we felt like we had coveted worse than

1358
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:11,040
what we had before they're now better i

1359
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,720
he was hitting a tennis ball around on

1360
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:13,760
sunday

1361
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,119
but still while we're forcing people to

1362
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,800
take the vaccine

1363
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,400
it should be an individual choice to

1364
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:23,520
take the vaccine that's my only point

1365
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:26,079
also i think my sister just got back

1366
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:27,200
from uh

1367
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:30,960
from mexico and uh they don't uh require

1368
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,599
that

1369
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,400
however the americans require you to

1370
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,000
having having had a uh

1371
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,319
you have to test posit have to test

1372
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,640
negative within the last 48 hours in

1373
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,079
order to get back in

1374
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,119
to come back the americans do that

1375
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:47,920
right right yeah i i flew to hawaii uh

1376
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,160
even if you've been vaccinated

1377
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:53,280
you can have a vaccination card but you

1378
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,240
have to test

1379
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,640
you have to show a test a negative test

1380
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:58,079
anyway i think you raised something that

1381
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,480
you know

1382
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,880
important that that needs to be i'm just

1383
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,319
checking the clock here we'll wrap up

1384
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,760
here but

1385
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,359
that's kind of the outstanding question

1386
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,000
still with covert right now which is um

1387
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,839
you know should you is there a public

1388
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,680
good element or should people feel

1389
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,520
should we shame people because that's a

1390
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,960
lot of what's going shame people who

1391
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,640
refuse to get the vaccine

1392
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,240
because oh you should be doing it for

1393
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,240
everybody else my answer is

1394
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:23,040
hell no that it should be when we talk

1395
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,520
about

1396
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,040
somebody's health and injecting a

1397
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,720
healthy person with

1398
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,559
the remnants of a vaccine or whatever

1399
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:31,119
the heck the thing is that causes

1400
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:32,400
most people to have some adverse

1401
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,200
reaction that you can't say society

1402
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:37,520
is gonna require you to do that shame

1403
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,720
you into doing it

1404
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,880
it's an individual choice and ultimately

1405
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,160
if that person

1406
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:44,319
gets sick and gets covered well they

1407
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,520
have the choice to get

1408
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,040
vaccine or not so who are we trying to

1409
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,720
protect who is this hurt immunity that

1410
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,160
we're trying to protect for

1411
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,920
because either you got the vaccine in

1412
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:54,000
which case you're you're good

1413
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,839
or you chose not to get it which case

1414
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:57,200
you chose to take the risk that you're

1415
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:58,079
going to

1416
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,760
feel bad for you so what are we trying

1417
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:04,240
so you can spread it spread it but who

1418
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:05,440
can you spread it to

1419
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,400
other people who haven't taken the

1420
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,800
vaccine so why am i concerned about them

1421
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,319
they made their own choice not to

1422
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:12,240
to take the vaccine you see what i'm

1423
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:16,319
saying that's the logic behind it

1424
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:27,510
i'm not prescribing anything hey hey you

1425
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,119
live in america you should be very

1426
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:31,040
concerned about going there because uh

1427
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:31,440
you can

1428
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:36,160
in america they will silence you you

1429
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:37,520
know

1430
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:40,559
that is my that is my biggest horror

1431
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,960
is much like what they did to me in uh

1432
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,839
in moscow

1433
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,319
and trying to shut down our paper and

1434
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:47,839
then eventually doing it

1435
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,280
uh in budapest uh um also

1436
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,440
uh all these places around the world

1437
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,280
i've been to almost 100 countries

1438
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:58,400
uh where pr free press and free ideas do

1439
00:53:03,430 --> 00:52:59,200
not

1440
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:03,440
holds

1441
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:06,400
is sacred uh i think these things are

1442
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,200
sacred

1443
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,079
and um the youtube trying to shut me

1444
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,760
down because i'm

1445
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:14,319
because of what you're expressing your

1446
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:15,760
ideas

1447
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,200
and i think the hidden truth is getting

1448
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,640
those ideas out there

1449
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,960
right hey before i let you go if you got

1450
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:26,800
a minute let's just touch on american oz

1451
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,520
real quick

1452
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,520
we want to promote that that book about

1453
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,280
you your time spent on

1454
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,520
on on carnivals and i assumed these were

1455
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:35,440
going to some of these big state fairs

1456
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,760
like

1457
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,880
iowa i think it's got one of the most

1458
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:38,319
famous ones i've been i've been to that

1459
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:38,800
one

1460
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,920
right i went to 10 i went to 10 uh

1461
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,920
traveling carnivals in 10 states

1462
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:46,559
from california to new york alaska down

1463
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,079
to mexico and in

1464
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:50,480
in florida i was in a freak show but

1465
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,920
they didn't let me on stage because they

1466
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,480
didn't see the inner freak in me

1467
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:57,520
i had hitchhike to these uh state fairs

1468
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,640
uh and uh festivals because i was living

1469
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:02,160
on carnival wages

1470
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:05,920
couldn't exactly fly there and uh and so

1471
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:08,640
i uh there's a element of the

1472
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,760
hitchhiking there

1473
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:11,839
but also trying to capture the zeitgeist

1474
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:12,880
of america's

1475
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:15,520
americans and the way that they look for

1476
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:16,319
entertainment

1477
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,599
and part of the book is about how uh

1478
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,720
communal uh uh fun

1479
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:25,440
and communal uh entertainment is

1480
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,319
important to

1481
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:29,040
our mental health and that is very

1482
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,559
important during coveted times

1483
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,559
during these kova times we did not have

1484
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:34,640
that last year we have had

1485
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:38,079
precipitous problems with uh uh mental

1486
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:38,880
health in this

1487
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,880
last year um state fairs have uh

1488
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,359
uh used their grounds for uh

1489
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,040
vaccinations but they're all

1490
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:49,200
opening uh most of them are opening up

1491
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,400
this summer

1492
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,640
and uh and so we're going to see a

1493
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,480
resurgence of that and

1494
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,960
and i really believe that uh people are

1495
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,319
really seeing it especially here in

1496
00:55:03,109 --> 00:54:59,920
chicago they just opened up

1497
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:03,119
and uh wrigley field has been uh jammed

1498
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,720
has been capacity crowd

1499
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,200
all weekend and i think that we're going

1500
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:08,880
to see a real comeback

1501
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,079
uh for state fairs and local festivals

1502
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,240
that's great two quick questions on

1503
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:16,000
fairs what what's the best thing to deep

1504
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,349
i i don't know i haven't had the deep

1505
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,040
fried snickers but

1506
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:26,160
uh the uh when i was at the texas state

1507
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,720
fair

1508
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:29,040
i went to five i worked in five state

1509
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,079
fairs and uh

1510
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,040
they had a deep fried entire

1511
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:35,040
thanksgiving dinner

1512
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,240
on a stick on a stick yeah on a stick

1513
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:43,119
and uh that's a great question i think i

1514
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,599
should

1515
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:46,000
prepare for that one in the future okay

1516
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:47,520
and what about

1517
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:51,520
the the carnival games are they rigged

1518
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,200
uh mine uh i cannot because of a kearney

1519
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:56,720
code tell you

1520
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:59,520
uh but i will say that uh i will say

1521
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:00,559
that i knew who

1522
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,920
who in some cases i knew at some s

1523
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,839
uh traveling carnivals i knew who was

1524
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,280
gonna win and who was gonna i could make

1525
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,280
your day or break your heart

1526
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,920
uh depending on uh whether you had a

1527
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:13,520
good looking girlfriend or

1528
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:21,589
you can rig that game i'm not saying

1529
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:22,559
what uh

1530
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,000
i'm i am i am a uh former carney and i

1531
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:27,680
will not break the county code but i

1532
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:30,880
will say that uh i had a uh

1533
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,640
i worked at the tubs of fun and um

1534
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,720
i can tell you that's a they have a

1535
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:38,880
laundry basket at a tilt and then you

1536
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:39,440
throw a

1537
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:42,960
16-inch softball into them and uh

1538
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,160
i could uh like i say i could

1539
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:49,040
there's there's all sorts of systems in

1540
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:50,319
carnivals

1541
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,760
uh to manipulate who's gonna win and

1542
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:55,359
who's gonna lose and you don't have to

1543
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,079
have it

1544
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:59,359
be a fixed game you can uh make excuses

1545
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,000
that's called an

1546
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:03,280
alibi man i wrote about alibi men for

1547
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:06,799
the los angeles review of books in march

1548
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,200
and uh it's just a uh a way of

1549
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,200
if you think you're if you think you've

1550
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,040
won the alibi man will

1551
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:18,319
convince you that you've lost and uh

1552
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:21,520
so um there are basically a con man

1553
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,640
various cons

1554
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:25,440
in the carnival still yes yeah a lot of

1555
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:26,160
them is just

1556
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,839
you know making the thing look easier

1557
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:29,440
than it is like you said the softball in

1558
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:31,839
the bucket or the ring toss over the the

1559
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:33,119
pepsi bottles

1560
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,400
right you know right and and uh

1561
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,520
but carnivals really have cleaned up

1562
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,760
uh i know a carnival expert who says

1563
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,280
that uh fixed games

1564
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,760
you'll never see a fixed game anymore he

1565
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:46,799
says that

1566
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,000
and uh but i say uh

1567
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:53,040
i i'm sticking to my carnival code and i

1568
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:53,680
will not

1569
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:56,880
say that there are none that is for sure

1570
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:59,280
well and at the end of the day you win

1571
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,559
that big stuffed animal they probably

1572
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:02,160
pay five bucks for anyway

1573
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,920
so yes well that i had one game

1574
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,920
i had a fishing game where you paid five

1575
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:09,680
dollars to fish and

1576
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,760
you got a one dollar prize

1577
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,599
and that's you know no matter what and

1578
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,520
and in new jersey by the way in some

1579
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:18,799
states you cannot

1580
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,720
have uh you you can't um

1581
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:25,040
have a game of like that where you win

1582
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,240
or lose you have to

1583
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,960
have to have everyone has to win so are

1584
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,839
the rides

1585
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,319
safe would you go on would you go on a

1586
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:34,319
roller coaster i i would go on any of

1587
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:34,799
those

1588
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:37,680
uh i was really impressed by the safety

1589
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:38,319
but

1590
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,920
having said that i am a violator i ran a

1591
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:42,720
uh

1592
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:52,319
golden wheel that's the only carnival

1593
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,280
traveling carnival

1594
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,920
in alaska they do both their state fairs

1595
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,280
and uh

1596
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:00,400
they uh i ran the

1597
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,079
ferris wheel incorrectly and uh

1598
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,680
stranded some people at the top of the

1599
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,119
character's wheel

1600
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:10,160
so i can't say it was perfectly

1601
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,440
safe because i was a violator right what

1602
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:14,640
i did wrong

1603
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,680
to this day i don't know but i may have

1604
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,119
been overshifting

1605
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,760
but uh i had an accident hopefully there

1606
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,200
was a 16 year old boy

1607
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,200
uh with with a girl up there who was who

1608
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:27,280
was thrilled that he got stuck yeah he

1609
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:28,880
didn't mind it

1610
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,400
shenanigans going on in those things

1611
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:34,240
there were a lot of people kissing and

1612
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,680
making out

1613
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,079
yeah ah it puts a smile on my face i

1614
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,920
love carnivals there's a mid-state fair

1615
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:42,000
in paso robles here in california that i

1616
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,280
love going to mostly because they have

1617
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,760
great country music concerts at it so

1618
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,839
you just put me in that movie absolutely

1619
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:49,520
absolutely i know that a lot of people

1620
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,160
that bought

1621
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:52,240
my book was a bestseller for 10 months

1622
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:53,599
and i know a lot of people who

1623
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,880
uh who read it they they read it because

1624
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:57,680
they love

1625
01:00:01,829 --> 01:00:00,480
carnivals and state fairs and uh this is

1626
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:01,839
about the people but

1627
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,119
about the people who are uh

1628
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:07,520
the working poor it's about the american

1629
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,640
caste system

1630
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,640
it's about people looking for love and

1631
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:12,079
meaning in their lives just like

1632
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:13,760
everybody else and i try to flesh out

1633
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,640
the humanity

1634
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:17,119
of the behind the wheel behind the

1635
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,160
carnivals

1636
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:20,640
and uh and my my favorite thing about

1637
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,280
the

1638
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,480
available as an audio book right

1639
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,559
it's available as to not as an audio

1640
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:28,319
audiobook

1641
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,319
i believe the narrator is a madman who

1642
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,160
both sings and tells

1643
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:35,280
jokes in the middle of this book so it

1644
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,319
is uh

1645
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,720
it's a very lively audio too it's we

1646
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:40,480
will not put you to sleep it's not like

1647
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:41,200
reading

1648
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:45,359
awesome american oz right yes americanah

1649
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:47,359
is an astonishing year in

1650
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,559
state fairs and inside state fairs and

1651
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:52,960
festivals hitchhiking from california to

1652
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:53,599
new york

1653
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:57,280
alaska to mexico and it is uh like i say

1654
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:59,119
loved by the critics and the carnies

1655
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,880
because the deeper you read the more

1656
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:01,920
you'll see

1657
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:04,720
and uh but uh you don't have to read

1658
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:07,040
deeply you can enjoy the adventure

1659
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,440
it's got a story arc it's a really good

1660
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,640
book

1661
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,400
thank you again to michael comerford go

1662
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:14,240
check out his number one best-selling

1663
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:14,640
book

1664
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,760
that's all about

1665
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:22,079
him touring with the carnivals and then

1666
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:22,960
also

1667
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:26,319
you can uh google his story about bike

1668
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:27,119
riding during

1669
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:29,119
the pandemic there's been a big chicago

1670
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:30,880
tribune article about that

1671
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,040
and he's got another book coming out

1672
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:35,200
soon thank you to our producer michael

1673
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,640
parker thank you all for listening we'll

1674
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:38,400
be back soon with another episode of the

1675
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:40,680
hidden truth show

1676
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,440
[Music]

1677
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,880
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1678
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:46,640
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1679
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,160
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1680
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:52,400
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